Comments on: Do You Make This Mistake at the Dinner Table? https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/ Sun, 14 Jan 2024 14:36:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: Mara Davis https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-42490 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-42490 In reply to Kelly Holmes.

I’d like to hear about parents who give their toddler/ kids a lot of food and or when kids eat a decent amount of food and ask for more they keep giving them more…so much food, way beyond what someone should be eating? Thanks

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By: Christy G https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-34568 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-34568 I have a 5year old daughter who chocked on a butterscotch candy and has now become afraid of choking again. It’s gotten to the point where dinner is a fight every night and it’s been maybe 4 months since the incident. We took her to the doctor to make sure there was nothing actually blocking her throat. The doctor reassured her that chewing her food 10 to 20 times is sufficient. However as times gone by she has now started holding her food in the mouth and chewing it until its practically liquid. We tried everything rewarding, discipline and reassurance to no avail. She holds her throat when she has to swallow. She cries because I get so upset and I realize now because she has anxiety about choking again. This behavior has actually caused my boyfriend and his grandmother to fight and ruin their relationship as well as end our own relationship over the stress of dinner time. How can I help my daughter move past her fears?

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By: Lynn https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-5707 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-5707 I have heard of parents that set a timer and when it goes off the kid either has to have eaten all the food on his plate or he will get a spanking. I feel this is setting the kid up for an eating disorder. Do you have any thoughts on this?

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By: Ajay https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-5286 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-5286 In reply to Areyoukidding?.

I actually agree with you (are you kidding me) , my neice is the same she wont eat anything when her mam is about just junk but at mine for a week without mam she ate everything my kids did very small portions for a 9yr old may i add , my 1 yr old neice eats more , but she ate what i put out i allowed her to leave foods she didnt like as long she tried it but each time she comes up ,i put them on , on the hope one day she will just eat it, and if she eats each meal then shes allowed junk but not too much oviously . But she worries me sick shes nine but the size of a 4 yr old and skinny as rake and ill looking all of the time no engery very lithargic for a child , but she aint my kid so what can i do??

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By: Cheryl https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-4304 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-4304 Thanks for the research, Kelly. I am wondering if you considered kids with special needs?

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By: Nikolai https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-4003 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-4003 In reply to Jaime.

Well, I’m not sure how terribly helpful this is two years later, but I suppose I can offer my two cents. I completely understand your husband’s want for her to be happy since he sees her for so little of the week, but he has to try. After a few weeks, she should come to realise that her eating habits don’t change based off of where she is and she has to eat correctly all the time. I’m not a parent, but I care for my brother and make most of his meals, so here are my tips.
1) Make meals chocked full of vegetables. I normally try to serve at least three in two different styles, which adds variety.
2) Don’t always make desserts an option. For my brother, dessert only comes on nights when I take the time to make something, we don’t have packaged sweets. If I haven’t baked, plain and simple, there probably is no dessert.
3) As hard as it can be, stick to it. For my brother, when he refuses to eat, he has to eat all of his vegetables and half of his protein to get up from the table, all of his food for dessert (which again is fine because he never knows when dessert is coming, so he’s inclined to behave regardless)
4) Adopt a little Japanese eating mentality. If he leaves behind 10% of his food after saying he’s full, I accept it. I do the same for myself.
5) It will be hard, especially if she’s started associating you guys with eating junk, but you must break this mentality. My food suggestion is stir fry with cabbage, onions, and carrots, baked tonkatsu chicken, thinly sliced raw cabbage with tonkatsu sauce, and rice. That meal makes him clear his plate no matter what.
6) (My favorite) Lunch time is your friend! When I’m giving my brother a new food, I pack a small amount into his lunch box to test it. He already knows to eat or try everything in there, so if he comes home and the pickles are barely touched I already know what to expect when supper comes.
7) My two veggie method is GREAT for picky eaters. Say she doesn’t like the raw cabbage in the above meal, simply tell her “Fine, but you’ll have to eat more stir fry.” They can pick their lesser of two evils while you can take comfort that they’re still getting their vegetables.

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By: Nikolai https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-4002 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-4002 For my brother, he’s chronic snacker and my stepfather indulges his requests every time no matter what I say. I grew up on a Japanese diet and way of eating, so it’s very angering to see unhealthy habits being placed on my brother. Any ideas on how to help the situation?

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By: Louise https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-3868 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-3868 In reply to sleepingshouldbeeasy.

Unless your child has a underlying medical condition, DOR works for big eaters as well as limited eaters. It is all about trusting your child to eat what they need and letting them become aware of their own hunger/satiety cues.

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By: Louise https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-3867 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-3867 I have a 6yo son who is a Selective Eater. I struggled so much with this until I came across Ellyn Satter’s Division of Responsibility. The main effect it has had is to reduce my anxiety and worry about what he was/wasn’t eating, and to make meals more relaxed. Putting pressure on him to eat never worked. The only thing I disagree with is expecting them to put some of everything on their plate. That still seems like pressure to me, and is not recommended with DOR.

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By: Lauren https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-3787 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-3787 Hi. I’ve just read your article and am feeling motivated to try some of your tips. The hardest thing will be getting ‘the husband’ to back me up completely. We have a 3 year old son who loves breakfast, lunch and green smoothies, however when we get to dinner time…unless it’s pasta, pizza or fish and chips takeaways we have issues. There is a bit of texture issues and if he psychs himself out too much we end in him vomiting up the dinner we managed to get down. We try not to force dinner because of his vomit issue bit it sure would be nice to not stress about what I have to make each day. I’m not worried about him being undernourished because he eats lots of healthy fruits and grains and veges I can sneak into smooties. Our daughter is 1.5 yrs old and a fantastic eater but I feel she is starting to pick up some bad habits…watching that someone else won’t eat their mashed potato and thinking she can do the same. The dessert with dinner idea does go against the grain and I’m in doubt that the hubby will agree to that but I sure am open to trying new things. I really like the you don’t have to eat it but you have to try it idea. We usually food reward. I dish up a small amount of dinner and if they eat it all they get a small icecream, though we bend the rules if he has made a real good effort to eat things he doesn’t want to. But honestly sometimes I feel like the reward system isn’t helping anymore. We will be trying some of your tips. Thanks for your post!
Lauren

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By: Heather https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-3574 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-3574 This is a wonderful even 3 years after you wrote it. I have recently stopped forcing my child to eat. She knows when dinner is over it’s over and when her plate is cleared its gone. I’ve become okay with that. For years I forced my kid to because I thought she would starve otherwise. Now I know she won’t starve.

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By: OldNrs55 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-2700 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-2700 In reply to Kelly Holmes.

But dessert doesn’t have to be every night and it can be really healthy. When my Grandkids want a TREAT, I cut a banana in half, put a bit of whipped cream on it, and some crushed peanuts and make a monster!. The eyes are raisins. By the time we think we have figured out what works, they are on to something else to make us crazy! By the time they go to college, all will be fine! Some of the Mom’s on this thread sound a bit angry or like they know it all for every ones child. HA!! The older you get, the more you find out, you just don’t know everything and life gets easier when you don’t feel like you have to control every thing your kids do.

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By: frustrated mom https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-2604 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-2604 I understand the suggestions, but sometimes they just don’t work. My son is 12 now. He takes medication that takes away his appetite. We have a restricted diet and NO junk food. It is common for him to eat one bite of the food on the plate that he likes and then say he is full. He won’t touch what he doesn’t like. And his tastes change severely from week to week. One week he eats the meal I make and raves over it being the best meal he ever had. THe next week he won’t touch the same recipe. He gripes and moans, that he can’t stand it. I do want him to eat because it is also common for him to wake up at night screaming because his stomach hurts and he needs to eat. So I make sure he has a bedtime snack. Something healthy that he likes. Also his weight is so low that it is quite concerning. He used to be in the 25% for height and weight but he got taller so now it is the 5%. I have tried all those suggestions and they do not work because he has extenuating circumstances. Well thanks for letting me vent. It helps to admit that it is difficult and there is no easy answer.

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By: Jenn W https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-2301 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-2301 We started something new in our house to combat picky eaters and the “clean plate club” issues: Dessert (a small serving) for afternoon snack and none after dinner. I try to incorporate both new and familiar foods with each meal and, as long as they try a bite of everything, they may make their meal out of whatever is on the table. If they try a bite of everything and say they’re not hungry, they don’t have to eat, but their plate is put in the fridge for later. No one is allowed a snack for an hour before meals or after, so they aren’t ditching dinner anticipating something else. Later, if they’re hungry, they can have fruit or veggies or crackers ( or their dinner, if they didn’t eat) and the sugar from the afore mentioned “dessert” isn’t keeping them awake at bedtime.

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By: HDean https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-2079 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-2079 In reply to Emily.

You could go by the expert on your child: your child. They should be able to eat just like you and I do: when and how we want to.

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By: HDean https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-2078 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-2078 What’s way more important in my home than weight: self-respect and autonomy. If my kid doesn’t want it, they don’t have to eat it. No questions asked. They also don’t HAVE to taste. Anything. It teaches children to go against their own instincts to force tasting; that is forced eating. My kids choose what goes into their bodies, how much, and when, at all times. With a strong relationship built on trust and respect, they consider my words when choosing healthy foods. That is not my goal, however. No manipulation. Just love. I also can’t see forcing them to eat only when I’m hungry (making the meal).

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By: Sabriena https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-2043 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-2043 In reply to Sabriena.

I also feel the need to mention that my husband was frequently forced to sit at the table for hours until he’d finished his food, and I really think that probably played into his picky habits now. My siblings and I have very few dislikes, and the older we get, the more that list shrinks.

I also remember my mom and dad discussing an aunt and uncle of mine once. They said she was an AWESOME cook, but that when she married she lost a lot of confidence, because her husband disliked her cooking. Eventually she learned to be an AWESOME cook of junk and unhealthy foods, which was what he liked. I can remember my dad saying “It’s too bad that we didn’t know then that it takes time to learn to like different kinds of food, because now she hardly ever cooks anything healthy, and he and she are both unhealthy as a result.” (Not those exact words, but that was the message he related) :-)

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By: Sabriena https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-2042 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-2042 Love this post!

When I was growing up, our main rules were these, and they seemed to work great:
1. Starting at the ages 4-6, we graduated into dipping our own food almost all of the time.
2. If we dipped our own food, we were required to eat it all (unless another family member was willing to finish it for us)
3. If we had dipped a younger siblings food (frequent in our family of 8 children), and they did not finish it, then we were required to finish it (again, unless another family member wanted it).
4. We rarely were allowed snacks.
5. We didn’t have to try everything at the table, but we weren’t allowed seconds if we hadn’t tried everything.
6. We almost never had dessert (my dad was diabetic, and we felt that many of the sugar substitutes were more unhealthy than sugar itself. But in respect for him, we had no sugar in the house most of my growing up years)
7. There were many times that we were allowed to put our leftovers in a marked container in the fridge. We weren’t allowed to eat any other food until we’d eaten what we’d served ourselves (sometimes this would result in one or two members eating the same leftovers through the course of several meals, but not usually)
8. We had different sized plastic cups for different age ranges, and we were required to drink a full glass of water before we were allowed seconds. It was frowned upon if we didn’t drink the whole thing even without getting seconds, but was generally not required.

We rarely had juices, soda pop, or junk foods.
I love that the points you mentioned in your post are a lot of the same things I experienced as a child. I rarely felt that the rules were unfair, even if I was one of the ones who had to save my leftovers for the next meal. It was frustrating to eat my younger siblings leftovers if I’d dipped them too much, but that rarely happened because I learned to dip portions they would eat. :-)

I now have three children of my own, and our rules that I feel work especially well for our family are:
1. If you don’t eat your food, then you can’t whine about being hungry later. Totally not acceptable. (We DO usually save the leftovers to be reheated when they get hungry, though)
2. We aren’t allowed to say “I don’t like…”

Rule #2 is inspired by a friend of my husband and I, who once told me that neither of her two daughters knew that she disliked eggs until they had nearly reached adulthood, because she knew eggs were healthy and didn’t want her girls to claim a dislike just because she did. My husband is EXTREMELY picky. He likes quite a few healthy foods, but he dislikes MANY, MANY, MANY healthy foods. Inspired by our friend, we have chosen not to let our children know what we do not like, and they aren’t allowed to say they don’t like things either, as it may influence their siblings or friends.

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By: Jane Tsalagi https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-1930 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-1930 What if the child only eats the dessert and stops (won’t eat the other food)? What if your child gives themselves larger than adult sized portions when you let them serve?

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By: Ashley-SoonTo Be Hampton https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/mistake-at-dinner/#comment-1882 https://happyyouhappyfamily.com/?p=1812#comment-1882 Oy! This is the biggest load of rubbish I have read in a long time! You do not give kids choices, this is why there are so many spoiled brats in this world now! As a kid, I was not to leave the table until my dinner was gone, it did not matter if I liked it or not. Not making them eat their food only tells them that they do not have to appreciate what they have. There are so many families and children that go hungry that would love that meal. You do not give them choices whether to eat or not. That food that you just tossed out because you tell them eat at least 3 bites, and they decided they did not like it, is a waste of money and could of been someone else’s meal who can not afford food.

This whole entire passage is wrong. You sit there until it is gone, and that is final! I never died or had mental problems because my parents made me eat my dinner. No I grew up appreciating all the little things I have and respect. Now there are times I will ask everyone in the house what they would like for dinner, but that is not often. If I am making a meal, it will be eaten. Screw all of this BS give kids choices madness, this is why our future generation is screwed because of parents like you. Your grandma was in the right, she bought the food, cooked it and it was your duty to eat it whether you liked it or not.

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